The clouds open to the sides and thus give a glimpse of the celestial sky, under it two chimneys that belong to a nuclear plant appear and behind it is a large city. That presentation is an omen that a few seconds later a new episode of the animated series will begin, marking a before and after in television history.
The Simpson were the starting kick for the cartoons stop being something exclusive for children and become entertainment for adults. Matt Groening’s creation has been on the air for 31 seasons, and although his level has dropped, fans are still faithful to the old times. Yes, those who define themselves as fans of this yellow universe separate the series in two: the old one (the first 10 seasons approximately) and the new one (everything that came later and is still on the air today).
Behind this cartoon that was born as a satire of what were at that time the families of the main television shows in the United States, there were brilliant minds who worked hard to form the personality of each character, develop the stories of each episode and design jokes that catch viewers and stand out above the rest.
Many of these minds met at Harvard, one of the most prestigious universities in the world. “I studied history there. But most of my time was devoted to the Harvard humor magazine, Lampoon. I was vice president of Lampoon and many people who later worked on The Simpsons came from there “Bill Oakley tells in dialogue with Infobae. The television writer speaking from Óregon worked on the series since 1992 between seasons 4 and 8 (the golden ages) as a screenwriter alongside Josh Weinstein, so in most of the talk his references to his work are in plural.
Magazine Lampoon He is very popular at Harvard for his humor and although none of the creators of The Simpsons was part of the staff, many of those who joined later and took over as writers or producers, such as Paul Simms, Conan O’Brien or David Cohen, among others.
From there emerged several of the stories that were later captured on the screen, although Oakley does not admit it. Where this relationship is more than evident is in the episode Homer goes to college, the third of the fifth season. There, the protagonist of the cartoon is forced to have a university degree to keep his position at the nuclear plant, but instead of trying and studying, he decides to focus on teaching a group of nerds to “bustle”. Something similar happened to Oakley himself in his time as a student, when he was about to be expelled from the university: “Basically there is a rivalry of more than 100 years between the magazine and Crimson, which is a Harvard newspaper. We were always looking for a way to screw them and they were us, it was something usual. In this case, we publish the phone number of the president’s bedroom Crimson in the magazine and a fake “phone sex” ad. Turns out, he got hundreds of calls (laughs). And he, instead of seeking revenge against LampoonHe tried to get us expelled. “
That anecdote can never be forgotten by the writer (lover of bustle for those years), not only because of the bad moment that happened, but also because the victim was none other than Jeffrey Zucker, current president of the CNN: “It was an unpleasant experience.”
By May 1992, the doors to The Simpsons opened for Oakley and Weinstein: “We were big fans of The Simpsons before we were hired, so it was really intimidating to work there back then, because all of the original writers were still there. They had only hired two new people, Conan O’Brien and then us. “Some of the most memorable episodes he wrote with his partner were Marge gets a job (Marge works at the nuclear plant and Mr. Burns falls in love with her.), $ pringfield, or how I learned to love legalized gambling (Burns opens a casino and Marge becomes addicted to the game), Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy (Lisa throws her own doll), Bart vs. Australia (the oceanic country does a trial to Bart for a prank call), andWho shot Mr. Burns? (The rich old man is found dying with a bullet to the chest), among other great jewels.
To understand how hard the work was, the creation of a single episode took about 10 months, between which the idea was launched, the story was put together and the animation work was carried out in Korea (yes, in the same country that is curiously written Tomy and Daly): “Nowadays everything is more dynamic thanks to computers, but the animation was done in color by hand and that kind of thing. Today with computers it is easier, but this was more than 20 years ago ”.
Oakley was a fan of The Simpsons before he was hired, so he gets excited when the best moment of the interview begins: It is time to meddle in the secrets of the series and delve into the characters.
This dedicated and hard-working guy appeared in season 8 episode 23 and in just a few minutes he became Homer’s enemy. For what reason? simply because he couldn’t tolerate his crap: “My advice to Grimes would be to get out of town fast (laughs) because he was never going to win. The centerpiece of that episode was the ‘Homer Universe’ and the thing with the ‘Homer Universe’ is that no matter how smart you are, you can’t win. Frank Grimes was always right, but he wasn’t an idiot and Homer was (laughs again). Then the episode unfolds in that world. I would tell Frank Grimes to stay away from Springfield. Maybe he just stays away from Homer, but I think best of all Springfield, because he will end up somehow dead by anything. ” Indeed, it was so: he died in that same chapter.
Who shot Mr. Burns?
It was undoubtedly a hinge episode in the series that was poorly translated in Latin America as Who killed Mr. Bruns ?: “It was Matt Groening’s idea, he came into our office and said ‘We have to do a double episode like Who shot J.R (a very popular episode in the series Dallas from the 80s) and said exactly the phrase ‘Who shot Mr. Burns’. And we said, ‘Oh that’s a very good idea,’ so we got going. But it was definitely Matt’s idea. In other words, the story was not his work, but the phrase was his. “
The double chapter divided seasons 6 and 7 and served for fans to have four months between each broadcast to discover the secret. There was even a contest for viewers to try to figure it out, but no one guessed that the trigger had been pulled by little Maggie. However, that was not the original idea.
“We wanted Barney to go to jail. Barney was the subject of drunken jokes and had us a little tired at the time, so we had the idea to put him behind bars. We thought it would be a mystery to figure out what character he had been and then no one would suspect that he had been Barney and it was a good time to send him to jail for three seasons, and then get him out. We thought it was funny. “It is worth remembering that this friend of Homer hated Burns because of his fault Moe had closed his tavern, his favorite bar.
“That was the original idea, but James L. Brooks thought he must be a member of the family and he was correct, so he is a genius. The story would not have been good, it would have been another chapter if one of the characters of the Simpson family would not have been really involved in the case. So he suggested that she be the baby, but then we had to figure out how … we did not want it to be an accident. So we suggested that it was not, that she really I shot Burns and so we came to an agreement between everyone. ”That’s why in the last scene Maggie looks suspiciously sideways.
A few weeks ago, a new version that circulated on social networks about the outcome of that episode indicated that Homer had actually been the culprit. The theory was based on a scene from that chapter that showed Krusty at the crime scene drawn very similarly to the protagonist of the series. In addition, the clown had been on vacation as shown in the previous scene and was not wearing his traditional clothing, so the suspicion was that Homer had disguised himself as Krusty to frame him (just as Bob Patiño had done seasons ago).
“It was never intended that Homer was the one who shot Burns. The story of that episode is constructed in such a way that it seems like it was him, I don’t know if you remember that he was even suspicious at one point. The idea was that they believe it was him, but he had not been. We never claimed that Homer was to blame. Never”, says Oakley, who acknowledges having read about that version and admits that the resemblance between Krusty and Homer is striking: “I can’t say for sure, but it sounds credible that when the animation came back from Korea, Homer was in the crowd and so it was like, ‘If Homer is there, then he couldn’t have shot.’ So they fixed it by repainting Homer like Krusty and adding hair to him. Because there is no doubt that the drawing looks more like Homer with Krusty’s hair. So if something happened it is very likely that it was and although I do not remember it, I would not be surprised if something like this happened. Ultimately it was a mistake, a mistake that was quickly fixed by repainting Homer as Krusty ”.
Homer’s double life
The similarity between these two characters is in turn the trigger for another theory. When Matt Groening created the clown, did he draw him the same as Homer because the idea was that they were the same person? Was Homer destined to have a double life ?: “I’ve heard that, but I’ve never heard it until I left the show. I think it’s true. I think I heard it and I think I can confirm it, I’m almost sure it’s true” At the insistence on whether he had ever discussed it with the creator of the series, he declared: “I think so, I discussed it with him, but I don’t remember it.”
In the seventh season of the series, the former president of the United States made an unpleasant appearance between 1989 and 1993. His character moved right in front of Avenida Siempreviva 742 and his personality directly collided with that of Bart and Homero. On the opinion of the former president, who died in 2018, Oakley comments: “I don’t think he liked it (laughs). We never heard anything from him on the subject but I think he or his wife once stated something about it that they didn’t like. (…) I understand his anger, he did not like it (laughs). Why would you like it? We made him look grumpy. The point of that episode was to establish a relationship like that of Daniel the Naughty. That was basically what we did with George Bush playing neighbor Wilson. “
The character of Lisa Simpson began as that of a know-it-all, but over the seasons she evolved further, became a Buddhist, a vegetarian and is even basically the example of honesty within her family. One of those who began to give this aspect to his personality was Oakley himself along with Weinstein in Lisa vs. Stacy Malibu. Could it be said that Lisa is a feminist icon in cartoons ?: “I think she probably is, yes. He has all the traits and is also the smartest member of the family and is much smarter and more aggressive than the rest of the citizens of Springfield. So yeah, he’s a feminist icon … I couldn’t say for sure, but I believe it. “
The end of the series
In more than 30 years on the air, the Simpsons have been the subject of several rumors, it was even speculated with the end of the series at some point, although it finally did not materialize. It was precisely around the end of the 90s that the staff working on the program really believed that it would all be over soon: “Most of the shows don’t last that long, even the most successful ones like Cheers or Friends they end around season 10. So we thought that, plus the audience was dropping, the indicators were dropping … but there was no particular reason, we just thought it was coming to an end. “
Ultimately that did not happen, but the bleeding of writers and producers never stopped: “What happened was that almost everyone left, basically all except Conan left after season four. So we became the most experienced men in the staff for a few years. Afterwards, David Mirkin came in and we basically started reading scripts. But when he left we had to take charge and that was exciting because we were big fans of the show and we had the opportunity to carry it out. That was fun and very demanding at the same time, we left two years after that. ”
Favorite episodes, characters and jokes
The former series writer and producer was shocked to hear that Homer goes to University, was chosen as the best chapter in the series in a championship held on Twitter by the user @Data_Simpson, in which more than 17 thousand people voted (the majority from Argentina): “It is the first time I have heard that this chapter wins a contest. I think it’s a great episode, but I wouldn’t put it on my Top. “
If he had to choose, he chooses Homer Heretice (Homer refuses to go to church and his house burns down), Radio bart (Bart pretends to be a boy trapped in a well) and Homer’s enemy (the Frank Grimes episode). Although also remember that many people highlight The last exit to Springfield (Homer takes the lead in the union and calls a strike), which was chosen as the best of all by the magazine Entertainment Weekly in 2003.
When it comes to choosing your favorite character (without Homer as a candidate, for obvious reasons), you can’t help but highlight his masterpiece: “Superintendent Chalmers, that’s why I wrote that scene in 22 short Springfield stories, which became the most famous thing I’ve ever done (the steamed burgers and the northern lights). I love this character, I love him because he is the only sane person in town, everyone else is crazy (laughs) and very stupid in some way, except for him. It’s very rational, but he doesn’t worry too much, it’s like when something stupid happens he asks maybe a question or two about it, but nothing else, he doesn’t delve into the subject. It’s like with Frank Grimes, the difference is that Grimes couldn’t tolerate the people around him being idiots and that’s why he died (laughs). But Superintendent Chalmers wisely lets things happen, lets people do stupid things, he doesn’t try to correct them. “
Even though that meeting at Director Skinner’s house with his boss is what makes him most proud about his time with The Simpsons, it is not his favorite moment: “It’s hard to choose one … I don’t think I can choose one . But in any case I choose the one Homer tries to jump the grand canyon on a skateboard and falls to the bottom of the canyon, but then when they climb up to rescue him, the ambulance collides and he falls again in the same sequence (laughs). I could say that this is my favorite moment” That scene dates from the second season and is considered a classic, so much so that in the movie brought to theaters in 2007, it was recreated.
Since his departure from the show, Oakley has worked on several animated series, such as The Cleveland Show, collaborated for a time with Futurama and in 2018 he accepted the challenge of carrying out the Disenchantment, the Matt Groening series that airs on Netflix. However, he rejects humor as an option in his role as a viewer: “I watch Rick and Morty sometimes. But I don’t look at another. Ah yes, sometimes I tune in Bob’s Burgers. But generally I don’t watch comedies on television, I stay with the dramas ”.
And the Simpsons?
“To be frank, I have not seen episodes of The Simpsons in the last 20 years.”
The list of episodes Oakley wrote with Wenstein:
Marge gets a job: Marge starts working at the Nuclear Plant and Burns falls in love with her.
Marge in chains: Marge goes to prison for stealing a product from Apu’s mini-supermarket.
The horror house IV (“Terror a Metro y Medio” segment): Bart sees a gremlin on the bus.
$ pringfield or how I learned to love legalized gambling: Burns opens a casino and Marge becomes addicted to gambling
Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy: Lisa launches her own doll
Skinner’s song: The principal is dismissed from the school and replaced by Ned Flanders.
Lady Bouvier’s lover: Abe Simpson falls in love with Marge’s mother.
Bob Patiño’s return: Bob Patiño is running for mayor of Springfield.
Grandpa and romantic inefficiency: Abe Simpson promotes a tonic that increases the sexual activity of couples.
Bart vs. Australia”: Oceanic country sues Bart for prank call
“Who shot Mr. Burns?” (parts 1 and 2): the rich old man is found dying with a bullet to the chest
The complete interview
A few days ago on Twitter there was a kind of Simpsons World Episodes and the winner was Homer Goes to College (chapter in which Homer is forced to enroll in the University) Do you think it is fair that this triumph?
No. I think it’s a great episode, but I wouldn’t put it on my Top.
What is your Top?
Most people highlight The last exit towards Springfield (Homer takes the lead in the union and calls a strike) but I would also choose Homer Heretic (Homer refuses to go to church and his house burns down), Radio bart (Bart pretends to be a boy trapped in a well) and The andHomer’s enemyFrank Grimes episode). Actually, if you look at the fan posts, because this has been discussed for the last 20 years, I don’t think there’s a … it’s the first time I’ve seen that Homer goes to University is chosen as the best. I’m not saying it’s not a great episode, but I don’t think it’s in the top 10.
Is it true that you were a Harvard student? What did you study there?
I studied history. But most of my time was devoted to the Harvard humor magazine, Lampoon. I was vice president of Lampoon and many people who later worked on The Simpson came from there.
I read that they tried to expel you from Harvard for a joke you made, is it true or is it a fake news?
It is true, but it was … the story is a bit complicated, there is even an interview about that of 65 minutes in which I talk about Lampoon. But basically there is a rivalry of more than 100 years between the magazine and Crimson, which is a Harvard newspaper. We were always looking for a way to screw them and they were us, it was something usual. In this case, we publish a phone number for the president’s bedroom Crimson in the magazine and a false “phone sex” ad. Turns out, he received hundreds of thousands of calls (laughs). And he, instead of seeking revenge against LampoonHe tried to get us expelled. We then received our punishment and had to do a kind of community task. And that guy, today is the president of CNN.
That was risky …
Yes, it was not a very pleasant experience.
After some work, you finally had a chance to get into The Simpsons. How was the entrance to that new world?
We were big fans of The Simpsons before we were hired so it was really intimidating to work there back then because all the original writers were still there. They had only hired two new people, Conan O’Brien and then us. We were very welcome, but working alongside famous comedy writers was really a strain. We need a few months to warm up and, you know, adapt to the dynamics. But I think we did well. And then what happened was that almost everyone left, basically everyone except Conan left after season four. So we became the most experienced men in the staff for a few years. Afterwards, David Mirkin came in and we basically started reading scripts. But when he left, we had to take charge and that was exciting because we were big fans of the show and we had the opportunity to take it forward. That was so much fun and so demanding, we left two years later.
Could you describe, because we need to understand, what is the process of creating an episode like? Could you do it briefly?
Yes, it is a very long process. It takes 10 months from the time you write the script until the chapter is finished. The beginning of the process begins with the story and at that time we had an “idea conference” where all the ideas came from and where we all had stories. We discussed them for two days and then the showrunner He decided what stories would be made, who would write them, and in what order. So the writer would come up with some ideas, we would talk about them in the living room, and then the writer would focus on putting together the outline, he had two weeks for that. Then he showrunner I was going over it and we had two weeks to deliver a first draft. Generally, that draft came to the room where we analyzed it for a week, sheet by sheet, line by line, and then it was approved. Then the product was put “on the table” where everyone analyzed it, even the actors read the script aloud to see how it had turned out. After listening to it, with the voices of the characters, we had between one or days to improve it, and write it again. The following week it was recorded, that is to say that the actors recorded their lines. That audio was sent to the animators, so the writers were free for a few months. Regarding animation, there are several departments, which are in charge of the characters, the landscape, the color, the storyboard, which is supervised by the directors. The storyboard, in which each frame of each scene is drawn, has about 200 pages that are reviewed by the director. When that is ready, what is called the animatics, which creates a black-and-white version of the show with audio that returns for writers to watch and correct the details. Then the color is added to it, at that time we had a division of five studios in Korea to do the color animation. That took a few months until I came back, again, and we saw that version. So maybe we were making some changes, not too many. And then there was the editing part, the music editing, the sound effects and we had a final version of the episode there that was reviewed by the director. After all that Matt Groening appeared, who watched the entire episode, approved and sent it. This whole process took 10 months, from start to finish.
It’s a huge process …
Yes it is. Nowadays everything is more dynamic thanks to the computers, but the animation was done in color by hand and that kind of thing. Today with computers it is easier, but this was 20 years ago.
Do you remember a very good idea or a good project that has never been carried out because it was scrapped in that process?
No, I think we did all the episodes we wanted to do before we left. There was no good idea that was not put on the table. The ones we wanted to do, we did. Also, at that stage we thought the show was going to end soon because most of the series didn’t last more than 9 or 10 seasons, you know, that’s the end. But hey, the show has had another 20 seasons since then.
There was a time when you and other writers thought the end was coming, but why did they have that idea? Just because there were 9 seasons or was there something more specific?
No, nothing specific. Most shows don’t last that long, even the most successful ones like Cheers or Friends they end around season 10. So we thought that, plus the audience was dropping, the indicators were dropping … but there was no particular reason, we just thought it was coming to an end.
Marge gets a job It was your first episode, how did you come up with the idea of Mr. Burns falling in love with Marge?
It wasn’t my idea, it was Conan O’Brien’s idea. When they said they wanted that story for an episode, Mike Reiss and Al Jean gave it to us, but it had been Conan’s idea.
The episode of Lisa vs. Stacy Malibu is really strong. That idea that there is a little girl fighting stereotypes … You think Lisa Simpson is an icon of feminism in cartoons.
I think it probably is, yes. He has all the traits and is also the smartest member of the family and is much smarter and more aggressive than the rest of the citizens of Springfield. So yeah, he’s a feminist icon … I couldn’t say for sure but I think so.
You were in The Simpsons when Frank Grimes was created. If you could be face to face with him, what would you say? What advice would you give
I think I would tell him to get out of town fast (laughs) because he was never going to win. The centerpiece of that episode was the “Homer Universe” and the thing with the “Homer Universe” is that no matter how smart you are, you can’t win. Frank Grimes was always right, but he wasn’t an idiot and Homer was (laughs). Then the episode unfolds in that world. I would tell Frank Grimes to stay away from Springfield. Maybe he just stays away from Homer, but I think best of all Springfield because he’ll end up dead somehow from anything.
How was George Bush’s reaction to the episode in which he appears and faces Homer?
I don’t think he liked it (laughs). We never heard anything from him on the subject but I think he or his wife once stated something about it that they didn’t like and that it seemed like the show was directed by Oliver Stone, like he was behind a conspiracy. The truth is that I did not understand the joke, but I understand his anger, he did not like it (laughs). Why would you like it? We made him look grumpy. The point of that episode was to establish a relationship like that of Daniel the Naughty. That was basically what we did with George Bush playing neighbor Wilson.
An episode that was a before and an after in the series was Who shot Mr. Burns?. How did this idea come about?
It was Matt Groening’s idea, he came into our office and said “We have to do something, a double episode like Who Shot JR? Who Shot Mr. Burns and said exactly the phrase” Who Shot Mr. Burns “And we said, oh it’s a very good idea, so we got going. But it was definitely Matt Groening’s idea. I mean, the story was not his doing, but the phrase was his.
You had chosen Barney Gomez to be the culprit, why?
Yes, we wanted Barney to go to jail. Barney was the subject of drunken jokes and had us a little tired at the time, so we had the idea to put him behind bars. We thought it would be a mystery to figure out what character he had been and then no one would suspect that he had been Barney and it was a good time to send him to jail for three seasons, and then get him out. We found it funny. That was the original idea, but James L. Brooks thought he must be a member of the family and he was correct, so he is a genius. The story would not have been good, it would have been another chapter if one of the characters of the Simpson family had not been really immersed in the case. So he suggested it was the baby, but then we had to figure out how … we didn’t want it to be an accident. So we suggested that it wasn’t, that she actually shoot Burns and so we came to an agreement between all of us.
A few days ago, a sort of conspiracy theory circulated that Homer had actually fired the gun. I read that you tweeted something about it, but you can explain yourself. Is that version garbage or is it really a secret revealed by fans 25 years later?
It was never intended that Homer was the one who shot Burns. The story of that episode is constructed in such a way that it seems like it was him, I don’t know if you remember that he was even suspicious at one point. The idea was that they believe it was him but he had not been. We never claimed that Homer was to blame. Never. De lo que la gente habla es porque en la escena final (de la primera parte) Krusty está alrededor del cuerpo y se ve muy parecido a Homero y creo que hay una fuerte posibilidad de que haya sido dibujado como Homero, pero luego se lo haya arreglado. No puedo asegurarlo, pero suena creíble que cuando la animación volvió de Corea, Homero estaba entre la multitud y entonces era como que “si Homero está allí, entonces no pudo haber disparado”. Entonces lo arreglaron repintando a Homero como si fuese Krusty y agregándole cabello. Porque no hay dudas de que el dibujo se parece más a Homero con el cabello de Krusty. Así que, si algo pasó, es muy probable que haya sido eso y aunque no lo recuerdo, no me sorprendería que algo así haya pasado. En definitiva fue un error, un error que se arregló rápidamente repintando a Homero como Krusty.
Al comienzo de los Simpson estaba la idea de que Homero y Krusty fuesen el mismo personaje, como si Homero tuviese una doble vida. Luego esto quedó en el olvido y nunca se llevó a cabo. ¿Alguna vez escuchaste algo sobre esto?
Eh escuchado eso, pero nunca lo había escuchado hasta que me fui del show. Creo que es verdad. Creo que lo escuche y creo que puedo confirmarlo, estoy casi seguro de que es cierto.
¿Nunca le preguntaste a Matt Goreninag?
Creo que sí, que lo discutí con él, pero no lo recuerdo.
¿Cuál es tu personaje favorito? No puedes decir Homero, obviamente.
Mi personaje favorito es el Superintendente Charlmers, es por eso que escribí esa escena en “22 historias cortas de Springfield”, que se convirtió en lo más famoso que jamas haya hecho. Amo a este personaje, lo amo porque es la única persona cuerda en la ciudad, todos los demás están locos (ríe) y son muy estúpidos de alguna manera, a excepción de él. Es muy racional pero no se preocupa demasiado, es como cuando ocurre algo estúpido hace tal vez una o dos preguntas pero nada más, no profundiza en el tema. Es como con Frank Grimes, la diferencia es que Grimes no podía tolerar que las personas al su alrededor sean idiotas y es por eso que murió (ríe). Pero Superintendente Charlmers, sabiamente, deja que las cosas pasen, deja que las personas hagan idioteces, no intenta corregirlas.
¿Ese gag entre Skinner y Charlmer, es tu escena favorita?
No lo sé, no creo que sea mi favorito, pero sin dudas es lo más popular que he escrito.
¿Tienes algún momento o chiste favorito?
No lo sé, es difícil elegir uno… no creo que pueda elegir uno. Pero en todo caso elijo el que Homero trata de saltar el desfiladero en patineta y cae hasta el fondo del cañón, pero luego cuando lo suben para rescatarlo y la ambulancia choca y él vuelve a caer en la misma secuencia. Podría decir que ese es mi momento favorito.
¿Hoy en día sigues mirando Los Simpsons?
No, no los veo hace mucho. No miro muchas series de comedia.
Hay una fuerte crítica por parte de los fans sobre las nuevas temporadas. ¿Coincidís con esto? ¿Hay una diferencia entre las primeras temporadas y estas últimas 20?
No puedo decirlo, para ser franco no he visto episodios de Los Simpson en los últimos 20 años.
¿Miras alguna otra serie animada para adultos, como Rick and Morty or South Park, por ejemplo?
Sí, miro Rick and Morty a veces. Pero no miro otra. Ah, sí, a veces sintonizo Bobs Burger. Pero generalmente no miro comedias en televisión, me quedo con los dramas.
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